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Region 3 Hook Truck
« on: November 16, 2007, 09:57:34 AM »
Pictures of the new Region 3 Hook Truck in operation.
Cracking truck with 6-speed auto box.

Will be based in Jervois, plans are to have a tanker pod (approx 12,000litres), the IMT/Staging pod as shown below and probably a tray.

Once tanker pod is built, will mean the current semi-tanker (BW17) will go elsewhere.
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Re: Region 3 Hook Truck
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2007, 10:51:29 AM »
great looking & sounding truck... but why jervois?
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Re: Region 3 Hook Truck
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2007, 04:04:01 PM »
They have a big enough station to fit it into...?? !!   :|

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Re: Region 3 Hook Truck
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2007, 04:12:12 PM »
Is it only for region 3????
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Re: Region 3 Hook Truck
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2007, 04:22:11 PM »
Quote from: pipster on November 16, 2007, 04:04:01 PM
They have a big enough station to fit it into...?? !!   :|

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mmmm i guess it needs somewhere to store the truck and pod(s).... but still i would have thought there would be more strategic places to keep it...

ie; in murray bridge itself.

would be nice to see a HAZMAT/CBR pod and a BA pod to go with the IMT and tanker pods hey...
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Re: Region 3 Hook Truck
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2007, 04:47:55 PM »
I love that the second photograph looks like the scoreboard is mounted on the truck with the pod on the ground......maybe it is just me working late   :roll:

Good to see more of the hook trucks in service. SES have one based in metro adelaide & I think a few flat bed trucks.
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Re: Region 3 Hook Truck
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2007, 05:51:46 PM »
Ugh. Ugly.

Three cheers for the stand-alone specialised vehicle!
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Re: Region 3 Hook Truck
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2007, 06:51:48 PM »
My question is why? What is it for? (I know the IMT) Hasn't anybody heard of dog trailers? What did it cost?
The SES has one of these? Why? What is this for?
To me someone has had a dream - like the SAMFS Comms bus :-D I know the idea is to cut the cost by using pods instead but now you need a specialist truck which does not have the carrying capacity of a purpose built tray truck, tanker etc.
And if people want to have their fascination with shipping containers, build the containers & hire side lifters as required - I wonder where the money goes now I know, can't afford to build a shed to house the vehicles & equipment you have. Yet they build this - I'm sure you could get BWT's cheaper (second hand)than this will cost with a tanker pod. I'm sorry if I'm wrong but what the filtered is going on? And yes its ugly!
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Re: Region 3 Hook Truck
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2007, 07:28:07 PM »
This concept is used in australian capital cities and around the world by various fire services. So it obviously has some merit. BTW what makes you think the cost would be excessive???
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Re: Region 3 Hook Truck
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2007, 08:03:34 PM »
well in metro areas the idea is that 1 truck and a buss load of crew can work a job with a few pods hence save cash on trucks and the pod carrier can make a few trips.

but when CFS is fighting fires over a much greater area i cant see it being such a good idea.
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Re: Region 3 Hook Truck
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2007, 08:10:48 PM »
Quote from: chook on November 16, 2007, 06:51:48 PM
My question is why? What is it for? (I know the IMT) Hasn't anybody heard of dog trailers? What did it cost?
The SES has one of these? Why? What is this for?
To me someone has had a dream - like the SAMFS Comms bus :-D I know the idea is to cut the cost by using pods instead but now you need a specialist truck which does not have the carrying capacity of a purpose built tray truck, tanker etc.
And if people want to have their fascination with shipping containers, build the containers & hire side lifters as required - I wonder where the money goes now I know, can't afford to build a shed to house the vehicles & equipment you have. Yet they build this - I'm sure you could get BWT's cheaper (second hand)than this will cost with a tanker pod. I'm sorry if I'm wrong but what the filtered is going on? And yes its ugly!
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ya gotta be joking chook.... i actually thought you were quite sensible and yet you think a hooklift/pod truck is a laughable idea?

how can you say the cost of this would be excessive? i shouldnt think a truck chassis with a hooklift attached would be all that expensive in the great scheme of things... and surely differant pods would not be overly expensive, as you say a basic storage pod would pretty much be a mini shipping container.... the tanker pod would probly cost a little more due to baffling though.

personally i think its a great idea... and as uniden said, the concept is used by multiple services worldwide.


ugly? phhht..... since when have CFS appliances not been ugly?
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Re: Region 3 Hook Truck
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2007, 08:15:06 PM »
Quote from: uniden on November 16, 2007, 07:28:07 PM
This concept is used in Australian capital cities and around the world by various fire services. So it obviously has some merit. BTW what makes you think the cost would be excessive???

SAMFS and the MFESB in vic are the only two Aussie services with hard-ons for hook trucks aren't they?

The pod idea is ok, but only when you have multiple hook trucks and pods. Most of the the time the amount of gear carried and the efficiency of stowage is far superior on a purpose built appliance.

Take a look at any USAR 'Pod' vs. NSWFB USAR 1.
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Re: Region 3 Hook Truck
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2007, 08:23:45 PM »
Quote from: 6793264 on November 16, 2007, 08:15:06 PM
The pod idea is ok, but only when you have multiple hook trucks and pods. Most of the the time the amount of gear carried and the efficiency of stowage is far superior on a purpose built appliance.

Take a look at any USAR 'Pod' vs. NSWFB USAR 1.

when you consider it though, there will be/are multiple trucks... peopel may not think about it, but the SES hook lifts are able to carry the MFS pods, MFS are able to do likewise with SES gear (although i believe they only have flat tops at the moment, pods still in production...) so surely the CFS gear will have been designed likewise (as long as someone was thinking)...

re; a USAR pod versus NSWFB USAR1 - how can you compare a pod truck to a dedicated USAR vehicle?
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Re: Region 3 Hook Truck
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2007, 09:31:36 PM »
I'm questioning the need for something in a region that can't afford to build a simple vehicle shed - I know - one of the groups of region 3 is co-located with us.
I'm questioning the need for a vehicle, that on paper looks like a great idea. But in reality how often will it be used?
This is in a service that can't pay for driver training! Same service that can't afford new sheds for its current fleet.
I would still like to know whats in the container? Since we have just finish refurbishing a room at our unit to be used as a joint IMT/ Training room - paid for by SES that we have been told is too small for a level 3 incident!
As for building a bulk water tanker (BTW) pod for it, you are possibly right - the cost would be similar to building a tanker to fit to a cab/chassis minus the vehicle of course. But it would be of a lower capacity to the equivilent BTW, WHY because you need to counter the weight of the hook assembly etc. It seems like one of those nice to haves but could have waited. As for the SES hook trucks, didn't know they existed - thought they were one of those evil rumours.
So yes I might seem like an idiot, but until some one can explain to me the rationale behind these vehicles and when all three services have trouble spending their budgets then I think these are an expensive toys.
Sorry I see greater needs elsewhere. - cheers
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Re: Region 3 Hook Truck
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2007, 06:27:45 AM »
May be that is why the region ahs no money left aftre buying this appliances/set up...should this have been funded at state level and not at region??? I like the idea as its used else where in this country works well and i guess with the amount of large IMT jobs in that region last year and the year before they have had some feed back from IMT personnel and this is what they ahve come up with...I think its a  great idea and we should support it.. As for the station with no shed well that is very sad and one that CFS needs to pull its finger out and fix, along with all the other station problems around the state. Would be nice to go to a station that has a toilet or hand washing or better still a station that has power/water........
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« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2007, 11:12:59 AM »
Region don't pay for trucks, it was just allocated to them. Because we as a service are on the bones of our a*se they have to look at ways of doing things differently. But they way they are cutting courses and other programs all we will be able to do soon is drive to jobs and watch !!!  :x
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Re: Region 3 Hook Truck
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2007, 11:24:07 AM »
Have to agree with chook.

Waste of money!

Makes sense in the urban environment but in region 3?

What’s wrong with the local station as an IMT point like what is done now.

Ask any member who is thinking what is best for their community, I’m sure a big fire truck that can deliver an portable office priority 1 in 3 minuets flat, is not high on their list
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Re: Region 3 Hook Truck
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2007, 05:44:55 PM »
Quote from: mack on November 16, 2007, 08:23:45 PM
how can you compare a pod truck to a dedicated USAR vehicle?
Because services are using Pod Trucks instead of having at least one fully featured specialised appliance for any given role.

We could build an awesome IMT vehicle, fully featured and ready for the coming fire season. Or we could build a half arsed office in a shipping container.

I know what I want my tax dollars spent on!
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Re: Region 3 Hook Truck
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2007, 05:49:55 PM »
Bravo :-D
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Re: Region 3 Hook Truck
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2007, 07:07:35 AM »
One of the reasons it may not be in region one was that MFS where ment to be getting that big looking IMT/COMMS bus that is still in sunny QLD... Region 3 is in a good location for deployment of the pod into region's and I think its a great idea having all you need in a pod...... Any idea what is inside??
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Re: Region 3 Hook Truck
« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2007, 06:44:41 PM »
These new pods are a great investment of tax payer dollars cause they can be set up quickly at any IMT staging area kinda like a popup tent which can be set up quickly at a campsite  :-)   
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Re: Region 3 Hook Truck
« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2007, 07:08:56 PM »
Blinky, most ICV's have a setup that allows an IMT to work from them, so separate areas for the IC, PO, LO, OO. They are equipped with radios, phones, faxes, computers etc. Some have large television screens with multiple things they can display eg: Street Maps, Photographical Satellite Maps, Hydrant location overlays. There also exists the ability to monitor the incident and the surrounding areas via video cameras on the ICV itself and via streaming pictures from other locations around the fireground.

God knows what the Region 3 Shipping container has.

I can understand maybe an Urban Service having a excuse for pods, but Region 3, let alone the CFS?! What other pods are they going to have? Bulk Water, Hazmat, Decon, BA support are all better suited to either a dedicated vehicle or a trailer that can be attached to *any* vehicle with a towbar.
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Re: Region 3 Hook Truck
« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2007, 09:05:21 PM »
What is wrong with you people?  The pod system absolutely work's and has been around for at least 30 years & i've lost count of the amount of live's it saves as it arrives on the scene with just seconds to spare!!!!
Now if I can just remember was it thunderbird 1 or 4 and was it Allan or virgil at the controls.
Hope it has that excellent thunderbirds theme music blasting out over the PA system as they upload the pod before the mandatory 10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1 blast off .AAh yes are tax dollars hard at work! 
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Re: Region 3 Hook Truck
« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2007, 04:36:43 AM »
Quote from: Robert34 on November 18, 2007, 06:44:41 PM
These new pods are a great investment of tax payer dollars cause they can be set up quickly at any IMT staging area kinda like a popup tent which can be set up quickly at a campsite  :-)   

I have no argument with the idea of specialist pods as such - IMT, HazMat, CABA, etc. Can be a cheap way to get Good Gear happening.

The Big Problem I forsee in the case of the R3 vehicle is that generally the first thing it will respond as is "Tanker".  That will pretty much tie the vehicle up for the next umpteen hours, rendering it unable to deliver any other pods anywhere.

So a Tanker pod is probably not such a good idea...



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Re: Region 3 Hook Truck
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2007, 04:34:52 PM »
I guess it will get a run soon up the river if that fire keeps going...
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