Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging

[Bagyassfirey]

23-03-12 14:07:11 ALL T.L'S NOT ON THE B.A COURSE PLEASE PAGE IN WITH AVAILABILITY OVER THIS WEEKEND. THANKS - SES Sturt Response

Is this an OBAOC course?

Anyone know why SES are doing it?

[pumprescue]

Confined space rescue

[Bagyassfirey]

Confined space rescue

ohhh yea i see... Is the course the same as would be delivered to SACFS or does it change to meet their specific requirements?

[pumprescue]

The CFS course is only a wearers course, no firefighting, so can't see it being much different.

[Hazmat206]

20:35:37 22-03-12 MFS: *CFSRES INC0070 22/03/12 20:35 RESPOND FIRE ALARM, : @TREVU NURSING HOME #035/028 1 DELAND AV GAWLER EAST,MAP:ADL 24 A11,TG 182, ==INPUT DESC - FIP ALARM MAIN ENTRY :ELZ339 GAW359 SAL329 : - MFS Gawler 359

Rescue much! :-P

[Matt84]

CFS:*CFSRES: BOMBERS 582, 585 BIRDDOG 500,  ATKINS & AOB MCRAE RESPOND GRASSFIRE, DEEPCREEK, 217 DEGREES, 92 KMS FROM WAB 29/03/2012 8:34:37 AM???

DENR have done it again! I guess prescribed burn got away???

[FlameTrees]

But yet 3 minutes after this Southern Flerieau put out a message saying the Deep Creek burn had been cancelled.

[Matt84]

Maybe because they are chasing yesterday's burn????

[Bagyassfirey]

Used for foam and gel drops to strengthen/establish control lines.

[SA Firey]

Used for foam and gel drops to strengthen/establish control lines.

CFS:AIR OPS INFO: ALL AIRCRAFT RETURNING FROM THE DEEP CREEK BURNOFF, 26 FOAM DROPS AND 20 GEL DROPS, INC NO: 954735 29/03/2012 4:01:25 PM - CFS R1 HQ Response

[bizfro]

This one was expected due to some cowboy tactics by up top. Bottom corner of deep creek 100ha ignited with the chopper. There's control lines in further back but rakehoes and test drops with a new gel cfs are trialling are doing the trick. Should be out tomorrow.

[SA Firey]

MFS: *CFSRES INC0022 29/03/12 08:51 RESPOND GRASS FIRE, TAPPANAPPA RD PARAWA,MAP:C/80C 54,TG 144, ==BURN OFF OUT OF CONTROL IN DEEP CREEK CONSERVATION PARK == assist crews at second valley air strip, from sflgc1 :RAPD34 : - CFS Rapid Bay Response

Another DEH over achievement :-P

[Alex]

Time to shut them down surely.
Before they do the inevitable and burn out a few houses or kill someone.

[bizfro]

Time to shut them down surely.
Before they do the inevitable and burn out a few houses or kill someone.

I wouldn't go that far. How many have actually gotten out of parks in recent years? Using bombers isnt a sign of failure, it's a resource that's available, especially for working on terrain like the one named above. The problem lies with the government requiring a increasing percentage of the state burnt each season, with limited funding for feet on the ground. Just like any multinational business trying to increase profit while decreasing costs. I definitely agree there are issues but I'd struggle to find one government related agency that doesnt have issues.

[pumprescue]

Like most managers they are too scared to say no.

Could be worse, could be the CFS doing these burns....

[misterteddy]

How many have actually gotten out of parks in recent years?

I would suggest a better measure of the impact is the number of crew hours taken to fix those that have. Counting the Eyre Peninsula over the last couple of seasons the figure would be in the 10s of 1000s

No-one does controlled burns terribly well, DENR (or whatever they are today) just do their bit to maintain that result....admirably

[Darius]

yeah but if we're not careful we'll make DEH too scared to do any burns then SA will end up like states like Victoria.  I do think DEH seem to be relying far too much on aircraft though.

[SA Firey]

yeah but if we're not careful we'll make DEH too scared to do any burns then SA will end up like states like Victoria.  I do think DEH seem to be relying far too much on aircraft though.

CFS:*CFSRES: BOMBERS 582/585, BD500 AND WOODSIDE FUEL TANKER RESPOND GRASS FIRE, DEEP CREEK, 217 DEGREES, 92 KMS FROM WAB 2/04/2012 1:45:58 PM - CFS R1 HQ Response

It has taken off!

[6739264]

CFS:*CFSRES: BOMBERS 582/585, BD500 AND WOODSIDE FUEL TANKER RESPOND GRASS FIRE, DEEP CREEK, 217 DEGREES, 92 KMS FROM WAB 2/04/2012 1:45:58 PM - CFS R1 HQ Response

It has taken off!

... That's kind of what aircraft do...

[Fire000]

yeah but if we're not careful we'll make DEH too scared to do any burns then SA will end up like states like Victoria.  I do think DEH seem to be relying far too much on aircraft though.

CFS:*CFSRES: BOMBERS 582/585, BD500 AND WOODSIDE FUEL TANKER RESPOND GRASS FIRE, DEEP CREEK, 217 DEGREES, 92 KMS FROM WAB 2/04/2012 1:45:58 PM - CFS R1 HQ Response

It has taken off!

Very easy to jump to wrong conclusions from a pager messages. Aircraft can be used for a variety of reasons, many of which are strategic and not in a "CFS bailing them out" mentality- i.e. to support ground crews or strength control lines during a prescribed burning. Sometimes it's also safer to use aircraft to lay down a wet control line, than to put crews in there.

Is it better they burn out these area now or should we have a wildfire rip through on a bad day sometime down the track.

Aircraft are a state resource, they may as well put them to use than have them collecting dust at Woodside  - it helps CFS justify keeping them all (Wingfield was good example of this), gives the pilots and ground crew invaluable training and helps make prescribed burning safer by jumping on any areas of concern during a prescribed burn straight away.

[Timbo]

yeah but if we're not careful we'll make DEH too scared to do any burns then SA will end up like states like Victoria.  I do think DEH seem to be relying far too much on aircraft though.

CFS:*CFSRES: BOMBERS 582/585, BD500 AND WOODSIDE FUEL TANKER RESPOND GRASS FIRE, DEEP CREEK, 217 DEGREES, 92 KMS FROM WAB 2/04/2012 1:45:58 PM - CFS R1 HQ Response

It has taken off!

Very easy to jump to wrong conclusions from a pager messages. Aircraft can be used for a variety of reasons, many of which are strategic and not in a "CFS bailing them out" mentality- i.e. to support ground crews or strength control lines during a prescribed burning. Sometimes it's also safer to use aircraft to lay down a wet control line, than to put crews in there.

Is it better they burn out these area now or should we have a wildfire rip through on a bad day sometime down the track.

Aircraft are a state resource, they may as well put them to use than have them collecting dust at Woodside  - it helps CFS justify keeping them all (Wingfield was good example of this), gives the pilots and ground crew invaluable training and helps make prescribed burning safer by jumping on any areas of concern during a prescribed burn straight away.

And DEH pay for them when they use them, so no cost to CFS

[fire8029]

03-04-12 09:01:48 MFS: *CFSRES INC0016 03/04/12 08:54 RESPOND FIRE ALARM, : @SPENCER INSTITUTE OF TAFE #051/033 39-39 CARLTON PDE PORT AUGUSTA,MAP:PUG 2 F 9,TG 62, ==INPUT DESC - FIP MAIN ENTRANCE FOYER :SFLG BWC : - CFS Sthrn Fleurieu Gp Officer Response

03-04-12 09:03:18 MFS: *CFSRES INC0022 02/04/12 16:10 RESPOND GRASS FIRE, TAPPANAPPA RD PARAWA,MAP:C/80C 54,TG 144, ==BURN OFF OUT OF CONTROL IN DEEP CREEK CONSERVATION PARK == assist crews at second valley air strip, from sflgc1 :SFLG BWC : - CFS Sthrn Fleurieu Gp Officer Response

got the right one now

[pumprescue]

But there is a cost to the CFS, as the volunteers are expected to run the airstrips, taking up there time, think thats a bit rich expecting that.

[Bagyassfirey]

I reckon the pilots flying the air tractors would have plenty of experience anyway not including the days of continuous bombing at Wilmington and wilpena!

I agree use them but calling on the volunteers to man the strip to fill them maybe it's starting to abuse the volunteer...maybe DENR should have trained personnel to perform these duties when they are using the aircraft in a support role!

[Fire000]

I reckon the pilots flying the air tractors would have plenty of experience anyway not including the days of continuous bombing at Wilmington and wilpena!

I agree use them but calling on the volunteers to man the strip to fill them maybe it's starting to abuse the volunteer...maybe DENR should have trained personnel to perform these duties when they are using the aircraft in a support role!

Agree, perhaps training some airbase support crew is something DEH need to look into.