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[6739264]

basically due to ohsw 10hr break after 12hrs of ops (possibly having come from work so add another 8 hrs)  sturt ran out of people that were able to crew trucks, when you have 3 trucks running with 4 - 5 on a truck plus ops crew you tend to use people pretty quick and even with them stood down their is still coverage from neighbouring units


numbers do you have an issue with ses all the time? if you are dumb enough to call resting crews soft even in jest after they've been out for 12 - 14 hrs and to work fatigued when you can be working at heights, cutting up trees with a chainsaw which will easily take your arm off if you aren't paying attention, drving a 12t truck possibly under evs standards, cutting someone from a car truck then you need your heads checked before you kill someone else

there needs to be a point where someone says stop they don't let mfs do it as far as i'm aware, they change crews on shifts. and bring cfs in to cover stations when needed, here they did the same thing stand sturt down and shift coverage to other units. if not where does the blame lie when we kill someone may even be your own crew might not be delibrate may not have happened if you had slept a bit in the last 24hrs i'd say the volunteer and his boss are in for an almightly filtered kicking and they have to live with killing your own crew for the rest of their lives.

it isn't worth it we don't get paid enough to take those risks

I have a problem with any service, anytime, when that they are making poor decisions that have a detrimental effect on the public, and are not being held accountable for those decisions.

Thanks for the quick run down of what goes on at storm and tempest incidents and just how fatigue can effect those operations. How about you print that off and forward it to your CEO, via your UM and remind them that there are HUNDREDS of other resources that can be called in to assist, and everytime those other resources are not utilised your hierarchy are merely fatiguing SES crews that are already well behind the eightball mentally.

Where were the storm damage strike teams? Where were the country SES units rotated into metro? Why did things get so bad that an ENTIRE unit had to be stood down for rest? Has anyone in the SES got any idea of incident or fatigue management? Does the SES know the meaning of service delivery?

We are happy to send hundreds of volunteers and dozens upon dozens of trucks to fires in the summer that often have minimal dollar loss impact, yet we have thousands of people effected by a Storm and Tempest incident, causing millions of dollars in damage and the SES can't even turn out the local Fire Brigade to assist SES crews.

Storm and Tempest:

• Cut up trees
• Tarp roofs
• Fix tiles
• Salvage work
• Divert water
• Sandbagging
• Etc..

I'm pretty sure that 99.99% of Fire Trucks and Firies worth their stripes can achieve the above. Why are they not utilised to their fullest extent?

Get over yourself and ask for help.

[chook]

Yep would have to agree Numbers (the get over yourself comment was aimed at the service?) If there were that many taskings & there was additional resources available - why not use them? Here if we get more than a few (4-5) tasks at once, we ask our "rural" friends because they have chainsaw teams (& some of their people are also "our" people)but that is a local thing - we still leave the "townies" & VRA out most times just in case there is a "real" job. Having said that - it depends on what the tasks are & whether the firey people are trained in combating those tasks. From what I can gather firies were tasked anyway? However I still don't see the problem with standing a unit/brigade down anyway - maybe next time they just don't put the message over the pager system?  Anyway have fun guys

[jaff]

Numbers, Abso-friggin-lutely!, stacking of jobs to this extent is ridiculous, our group could supply 2 strike teams chainsaw equipped and still leave at least 1 appliance in each station......overkill, lets do it and go home early!

[Alan (Big Al)]

Agree with you completely numbers,,, i know that the local ses units surrounding us were lucky to have a couple of jobs for the whole day, they could have been utilised as back up for metro and hills areas as well.

[bajdas]

No comment, because I am just an ordinary volunteer.

[mattb]

yes morphett vale now have the dennis, seaford will be getting there current 24p in 2 weeks.... and then will get a new 34p in febuary...the dennis as been refurbished again and give approx 5 years or operational service

Pretty much on the money. The Dennis still has some small things to be rectified before going on the run (mainly electrical) but overall it seems that they have tidied it up and fixed most of the issues that our Group wanted resolved before it came back.

If things go according to plan our 24P heads off to the Seaford brigade and is then replaced with a brand new 34P sometime soon.

[rescue5271]

Matt is this a good deal for the brigade?? You will now have 2 appliances that are well past their use by date and with all the on going problems with the Dennis is it worth the deal for a brigade that does alot of calls to have a pumper that is very unreliable...

[Alex]

Bill, regardless of the Dennis' condition, i would suggest it sets a precedent of having a heavy pumper in the station and would work in there favour when it comes time to replace it.

[mattb]

Bill, regardless of the Dennis' condition, i would suggest it sets a precedent of having a heavy pumper in the station and would work in there favour when it comes time to replace it.

It was also HQ's way of fulfilling our now upgraded SFEC prescription. Our appliance allocation now includes the requirement for an Urban Pumper for our brigade. The Dennis only came back to the Group after a long list of faults were rectified, as it turns out not everything has been fixed so it is not being accepted until they are.

Our 24 is due for replacement in the next year or two so we should have a new rural appliance soon. To be honest our 24 is still in pretty good condition and does a good job at rural fires, it would make a very good regional spare when it is taken out of service.

[Darren]

I think it would be sad to see your 24 disposed of, its in VERY good condition for its age, and would make a great spare....or a strike team truck, hint hint !

[rescue5271]

WEll as long as you guys are happy with it and they fix all the problems and in time you get a replacement pumper.

[rescue5271]

1909006 17:57:11 16-07-10 STRL INFO: Pumper Rescue is back online. Thanks to all those who helped restow. STRL Captain.



So does this mean that they no longer have a stand alone rescue?
 

[6739264]

1909006 17:57:11 16-07-10 STRL INFO: Pumper Rescue is back online. Thanks to all those who helped restow. STRL Captain.



So does this mean that they no longer have a stand alone rescue?
 

Welcome to months ago.

[Hazmat206]

06:42:05 21-07-10 MFS: *CFSRES INC010 21/07/10 06:41,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,27 SUTHERLAND AV,SEMAPHORE PARK MAP 91 G 11 TG182,CAR VS HORSE AND RIDER FROM SAAS CLEAN U,P,PAD251 - MFS Port Adelaide 251

Second time in a week

[SA Firey]

06:42:05 21-07-10 MFS: *CFSRES INC010 21/07/10 06:41,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,27 SUTHERLAND AV,SEMAPHORE PARK MAP 91 G 11 TG182,CAR VS HORSE AND RIDER FROM SAAS CLEAN U,P,PAD251 - MFS Port Adelaide 251

Second time in a week

When your driving disqualified and 5 times over the limit, poor horse never had a chance

[Hazmat206]

11:31:27 22-07-10 MFS: *CFSRES INC030 22/07/10 11:31,RESPOND ALARM 010/033,CSR HOUSE,101 GRENFELL ST,ADELAIDE MAP 4 C 6 TG182,FIP IN FIRE CONTROL ROOM OFF WYATT ST,,ADL203 ADL201 - MFS Adelaide Station Broadcast

203 back online

[Zippy]

23-07-10 14:30:12    MRPH INFO: SORRY TO DISAPPOINT YOU ALL, THERE IS NO DEPLOYMENT TO VICTORIA AT THE MOMENT. SOMETHING CRAZY GOING ON WITH THE PAGING NETWORK - MATT - CFS Morphett Vale Info

14:23:45    ANYONE AVAILABLE FOR STRIKE TEAM TO VICTORIA PHONE PETER ASAP ON 0428 982 964  - CFS Forreston Info

14:23:04    DON MOORE DEPARTING BY BUS FOR VIC DEPLOYMENT TODAY AT NOON GOOD LUCK AND STAY SAFE HE RETURNS THRUSDAY FROM JASON

Sorry guys, i bought a copy of the Black Saturday Fire Storm book from Borders today....

[Hazmat206]

15:21:30 23-07-10 RE: LAST MESSAGE, PAGER FAULT IN THE SYSTEM FROM CRAIG - CFS Burnside Info

15:20:38 23-07-10 LAST PAGE NOT FROM GILLY, WAS FROM AN ANONYMOUS SENDER, IF YOU KNOW WHAT ITS ABOUT CALL DAVID 0412797881 - CFS Burnside Info

14:35:19 23-07-10 ANYONE KNOW THE ORIGIN OF THE DON MOORE PAGE FROM JASON? I DONT! MUST BE GREMLINS IN THE SYSTEM. FROM MT PLEASANT CAPTAIN - CFS Barossa Group Officers Response

Some weird pagers coming out due to this glitch, including something about a deployment to vic!

[SA Firey]

MFS: *CFSRES INC053 30/07/10 19:19,RESPOND Flooding/Salvage,43 HAMPSHIRE ST,MANSFIELD PARK MAP93 B 13 TG182,WATER MAIN HAS BURST. CAR IN THE HOLE,1 X PERSON TRAPPED CAR ON ITS SIDE,PPT020 APK361 WDV249 MFS Woodville 249

Now that's a freak accident

[mattb]

It was very minor with no injuries to anyone involved.

The car will probably be driven away.

[JJD]

31-07-10 18:46:08    MFS: *CFSRES INC074 31/07/10 18:45,RESPOND ALARM 010/064,LEABROOK PLACE,APARTMENTS,17 TUSMORE AVE,LEABROOK MAP 119 K 11 TG182,SPKL VALVE MAIN GATE,,BLP211 GLO441 ADL202 - MFS Adelaide Station Broadcast



31-07-10 19:26:59    MFS: SNR OFF GRP:441/211/202 ATTENDING UNIT FIRE FOLLOWING FIRE ALARM ACTIVATION AT LEABROOK APARTMENTS. SPRINKLER HEAD HAD OPERATED, CONTROLLING FIRE PRIOR TO ARRIVAL, 1 X 97 YO MALE TREATED FOR SMOKE INHALATION (INC 074) - MFS Car 41 (Southern DO)


Great example that alarm calls aren't always false alarms, something my brigade could do with remembering.......

[Monger]

MFS: *CFSRES INC053 30/07/10 19:19,RESPOND Flooding/Salvage,43 HAMPSHIRE ST,MANSFIELD PARK MAP93 B 13 TG182,WATER MAIN HAS BURST. CAR IN THE HOLE,1 X PERSON TRAPPED CAR ON ITS SIDE,PPT020 APK361 WDV249 MFS Woodville 249

Now that's a freak accident

Water main had ruptured about 5 hours before the incident. The car only reversed into a hole created by the water main. Car was never on its side, had just bottomed out resting on diff. Only thing trapping anyone was a large puddle

[Bagyassfirey]

01-08-10 17:01:42 WAIT INFO: URGENT MEETING FOR ALL WAITPINGA BRIGADE MEMBERS CALLED FOR THIS THUR 5TH 7.30PM AT GROUP CENTRE. TO DETERMINE FUTURE VIABILITY OF BRIGADE DUE TO ONGOING FAILURE TO RESPOND. FROM GO VH-SubBase 1/08/10 - CFS Waitpinga Response

Wooo would this spell the end of Victor Group

[rescue5271]

I would say not the end of the group but may be the brigade.....

[Darren]

Surely the group have to merge with someone else, can't have a group with 2 brigades in it.