Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging

Pipster · September 20, 2009, 08:40:58 PM

Quote from: tft on September 20, 2009, 07:14:07 PM
Clean air act

Clear Air Act no longer exists....was rescinded a few years ago....

Pip

Zippy · September 20, 2009, 08:50:17 PM

awesome, ill go burn the filtered ive been saving for ages...mostly Computers.

Firey9119 · September 20, 2009, 08:57:06 PM

so if clean airs act is gone, what has replaced it??

crashndash · September 20, 2009, 09:57:21 PM

repealed in 1995

replaced by the Environmental Protection Act

http://www.legislation.sa.gov.au/LZ/C/A/CLEAN%20AIR%20ACT%201984.aspx

Alan J · September 20, 2009, 11:38:55 PM

Since when were CFS vollies responsible to enforce the Environmental Protection Act, or any other Act other than our own ??

As I understand it, we are only interested in schedule permits under our own Act,
and ensuring that permit holders comply with the Regs. Outside of that, we'd
only be interested if the relevant authority or land-holder called us. Even then
we don't give a rat's whether it is legal or illegal.

Am I missing something important here ??

cheers

BundyBear · September 21, 2009, 08:57:01 AM

Quote from: Alan J on September 20, 2009, 07:07:43 PM
19:14:46 20-09-09 STOP CALL 1 ILLEGAL BURN EXTUINGISHED.

Illegal?
At this time of year?
Under what Act?

Probably just under the clean air act, some councils jump on people pretty hard gotta have a permit all year round and have it extinguished by 3pm for a reduction burn-off.

Alan J · September 21, 2009, 11:12:43 AM

and this is the sort of page we'd get for that?
looks more like a passer-by or neighbour page than an official council or EPA request.

18:29:24 20-09-09 MFS: *CFSRES INC064 20/09/09 18:28,RESPOND RUBBISH FIRE,CNR OF FRADD RD AND HEASLIP RD,ANGLE VALE MAP 31 E 9 TG102,REPORT OF FIRE ON PROPERTY AT THIS INTER,SECTION,SAIR55 DALK19

jaff · September 21, 2009, 02:31:56 PM

13:52:11 21-09-09 MFS: *CFSRES INC047 21/09/09 13:51,RESPOND Explosive Device,GAOL RD,ADELAIDE MAP 1 D 16 TG182,PRIORITY 2 LIVE GRENADE AT POLICE BARAC,KS,CAR041 MFS Stn 20

like WOW!

Pipster · September 21, 2009, 04:06:32 PM

Quote from: BundyBear on September 21, 2009, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: Alan J on September 20, 2009, 07:07:43 PM
19:14:46 20-09-09 STOP CALL 1 ILLEGAL BURN EXTUINGISHED.

Illegal?
At this time of year?
Under what Act?

Probably just under the clean air act, some councils jump on people pretty hard gotta have a permit all year round and have it extinguished by 3pm for a reduction burn-off.

But if the council don't ask us / direct us to extinguish a fire, and it isn't fire danger season, and the fire is not in danger of getting away, what legal power do CFS members have to extinguish the fire ?

Pip

straps · September 21, 2009, 04:30:08 PM

Quote1909006 16:48:23 21-09-09 STRL: Voting on new members this evening, please attend if you can. And the nominees are: James C, Andrew, Adam, Felix, James L, James M, Nick, Tim. - Liz 04#########

Do CFS Brigades vote on whether they like / accept new members..???

If so, have the newbies done any training first..???

Cheers
Shane

[mod edit - removed phone number]

Alan J · September 21, 2009, 04:47:27 PM

Standard constitution says the brigade votes whether to accept a new member at,
or near the end of, their 6 month probation.

cheers

Alan J · September 21, 2009, 04:54:30 PM

Quote from: Pipster on September 21, 2009, 04:06:32 PM
But if the council don't ask us / direct us to extinguish a fire, and it isn't fire danger season, and the fire is not in danger of getting away, what legal power do CFS members have to extinguish the fire ?

Pip

My point exactly.
Unless requested as a consequence of a Council or EPA order-to-extinguish, I
can't see any right, or even any obligation to extinguish. Let alone describe
it as an illegal burn.
Now it quite possible that the turn-out was due to council or EPA direction -
I'm not in CommCen so wouldn't know. But the wording of the pager message
doesn't suggest that.
cheers

straps · September 21, 2009, 04:55:46 PM

Thanks AlanJ,
Interesting way to do things, can see pros and cons.

Cheers
Shane

Alan J · September 22, 2009, 12:08:35 AM

G'day Straps
Should have added that the recruit is supposed to make themselves available to
do BFF1 during their probation. The brigade is supposed to get them on a BFF1
course during that time.

Purpose is two-fold:
To protect people who cannot cope with fire brigade experiences and demands
from themselves, and
to protect the brigade from trouble-makers & mis-fits.

make sense?

cheers

Alex · September 22, 2009, 06:52:02 PM

mmmm meant to do the BFF1 during probation before being voted in... but cant get on a course or PPE until there voted in.... makes sense eh

Alan J · September 22, 2009, 08:00:06 PM

G'day Alex

sounds like you have a story to tell ?

cheers

Alex · September 22, 2009, 10:25:55 PM

Not really mate. Just from previous experience in the brigade. We have been told people can neither get PPE or get on a BFF1 course until they are brigade members... So the whole idea of getting people to do the courses before putting them in our numbers never works.

sapolpd · September 24, 2009, 08:20:05 AM

Getting this topic post back on topic.

MFS: *CFSRES INC004 24/09/09 01:50,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,LOT 178 GREENLANDS DR,MURRAY BRIDGE MAP 349 H 7 TG195,,CAT THRU A FENCE. RESPONDING WITH MFS &,SES (BOUNDARY ROAD). UNKNOWM ENTRAPMENTS,MURR00

BundyBear · September 24, 2009, 10:49:50 AM

MFS: *CFSRES INC024 24/09/09 11:07,RESPOND Hazmat Reduced,NATIONAL HIGHWAY 1 ,PORT AUGUSTA MAP 0 0 0 TG192,WHITE POWDER AT PORT AUGUSTA PRISON. DEL,IVERED IN ENVELOPE.,PAU519 MFS Pt Augusta Response

Oops it's probably someones fix for the month :-D

Alan J · September 24, 2009, 11:32:49 AM

Quote from: Alex on September 22, 2009, 10:25:55 PM
Not really mate. Just from previous experience in the brigade. We have been told people can neither get PPE or get on a BFF1 course until they are brigade members... So the whole idea of getting people to do the courses before putting them in our numbers never works.

Methinks someone is playing word games. Or to put it more simply, "Bollocks".
Recruits have to be issued basic PPE to train with the brigade.
That basic PPE is quite adequate to do BFF1, even if second-hand.
It is writ in the induction paperwork (or used to be) that a recruit shall do
BFF1 during their probation.

The hard bit is finding a BFF1 course to put them on. For that, perhaps our
BTOs & GTO need to put their heads together a little more often.
Quite reasonable to withold flash new PPE until a recruit has demonstrated
their commitment & been accepted by the brigade.

That's how we work it up the hill, anyway.
cheers

Alex · September 27, 2009, 07:48:26 AM

Quote from: Alan J on September 24, 2009, 11:32:49 AM

Quite reasonable to withold flash new PPE until a recruit has demonstrated
their commitment & been accepted by the brigade.

To true, we just have issues getting second hand gear down our end. And personally i object to members 'sharing' there PPE with recruits, or just having it taken.

crashndash · September 27, 2009, 10:49:10 AM

any chance we can get back on topic here?

Alex · September 27, 2009, 01:33:35 PM

Not a hope.

Bagyassfirey · October 02, 2009, 10:06:37 AM

10:27:30 02-10-09 R1HQ: TEST PAGE ONLY NO ACTION REQUIRED. 464533 02/10/2009 10:24:43 PM CFS KI Group Officers Response
1908933 10:27:28 02-10-09 R1HQ: TEST PAGE ONLY NO ACTION REQUIRED. 464533 02/10/2009 10:24:43 PM CFS Duncan-Gosse Response

:?

Hazmat206 · October 02, 2009, 12:10:04 PM

1930430 22:17:34 01-10-09 MFS: SLOW DOWN...DICTATION SPEED MFS Elizabeth 331