Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging

[Footy]

On face value you are probably right. that post looked awfully like i was saying captain shouldnt be in charge. Let me clarify. A captain from a brigade that is consistently second or third on scene should not try and assume responsibility over the incident and assume that because they are there, everyone else should bow down before them.
I hope this puts the statment in context. Chain of Command is important, Captains recognising and following that chain at a multi brigade/agency incident is also important...

[Darius]

Yes bittenyakka it matters,the GRN talkgroups have been assigned for several years now and worked well having dedicated primary and secondary talkgroups for each group.

add "in region 1" to the end of that (as only region 1 have 2 TGs per group).

it doesn't really matter whether we have fixed TGs assigned to groups or use a rotating first-available system of allocation, except that CFS has chosen the first way so that is how we do it.

the reason why it is particularly a problem in this case though is that the pager message has a region 2 TG for a job in region 1, and apart from a few exceptions (and a bit of overlap) regional TGs only work within the region they are allocated to.  Anyway this error in this case is being corrected.

[SA Firey]

09:48:52 31-01-08 MFS: MFS *CFSRES INC027 31/01/08 09:47,RESPOND DOMESTIC FIRE,ROBERTSTOWN CFS,ROBERTSTOWN MAP 0 0 0 TG097,PEACE HALL COMMERCIAL STREET,ROBERTSTOWN PROBLEMS WITH CREW,EUCL00 CFS Ceduna Group Officers Response
1919439 09:48:50 31-01-08 MFS: MFS *CFSRES INC027 31/01/08 09:47,RESPOND DOMESTIC FIRE,ROBERTSTOWN CFS,ROBERTSTOWN MAP 0 0 0 TG097,PEACE HALL COMMERCIAL STREET,ROBERTSTOWN PROBLEMS WITH CREW,EUCL00 CFS Nunjikompita Response


Now that makes an interesting drive to a job so far away

[Pipster]

09:48:52 31-01-08 MFS: MFS *CFSRES INC027 31/01/08 09:47,RESPOND DOMESTIC FIRE,ROBERTSTOWN CFS,ROBERTSTOWN MAP 0 0 0 TG097,PEACE HALL COMMERCIAL STREET,ROBERTSTOWN PROBLEMS WITH CREW,EUCL00 CFS Ceduna Group Officers Response
1919439 09:48:50 31-01-08 MFS: MFS *CFSRES INC027 31/01/08 09:47,RESPOND DOMESTIC FIRE,ROBERTSTOWN CFS,ROBERTSTOWN MAP 0 0 0 TG097,PEACE HALL COMMERCIAL STREET,ROBERTSTOWN PROBLEMS WITH CREW,EUCL00 CFS Nunjikompita Response


Now that makes an interesting drive to a job so far away

The tag associated with that page - listed as Nunji Response, is incorrect...it was actually Eucla who were paged...even further to travel!!   

And Ceduna Group no longer exist...name changed to "Western Eyre Group " a few months ago...

Pip

[SA Firey]

09:48:52 31-01-08 MFS: MFS *CFSRES INC027 31/01/08 09:47,RESPOND DOMESTIC FIRE,ROBERTSTOWN CFS,ROBERTSTOWN MAP 0 0 0 TG097,PEACE HALL COMMERCIAL STREET,ROBERTSTOWN PROBLEMS WITH CREW,EUCL00 CFS Ceduna Group Officers Response
1919439 09:48:50 31-01-08 MFS: MFS *CFSRES INC027 31/01/08 09:47,RESPOND DOMESTIC FIRE,ROBERTSTOWN CFS,ROBERTSTOWN MAP 0 0 0 TG097,PEACE HALL COMMERCIAL STREET,ROBERTSTOWN PROBLEMS WITH CREW,EUCL00 CFS Nunjikompita Response


Now that makes an interesting drive to a job so far away

The tag associated with that page - listed as Nunji Response, is incorrect...it was actually Eucla who were paged...even further to travel!!   

And Ceduna Group no longer exist...name changed to "Western Eyre Group " a few months ago...

Pip

I knew it was Eucla, and you and I know the group name has changed but obviously others dont

[mack]

far west thirty-four eh?

[Pipster]

Not sure of what you mean there Mack.... Far West brigade is based at Nundroo, and has a 34... different brigade to both Eucla & Nunji..

Interesting though...I though Eucla had gone from CFS, and back to FESA (since they are actually based on the WA side of the border.......! )

Pip

[mack]

aahh i must just be thinking of the furthest west fire resources we have in SA, Eucla are not CFS, as you said Pip.

[Zippy]

MFS: MFS *CFSRES INC050 31/01/08 16:31,RESPOND RESCUE GENERAL,ESPLANADE ,PORT WILLUNGA MAP 223 F 4 TG132,ADJ STAR OF GREECE RESTAURANT,STAR OF,ALDB19 CFS Aldinga Response

MFS: MFS *CFSRES INC050 31/01/08 16:38,RESPOND RESCUE GENERAL,ESPLANADE ,PORT WILLUNGA MAP 223 F 4,NEAR STAR OF GREECE,NAD020 SES Northern Districts Response?

hmm  maybe a lot of confusions happenin in Adel fire...not using full names might be havings its toll.

NAD020 and NOA029 too similar?

[sesroadcrashrescue]

the computer shows best response for the area so there could be a fault with the information and possible operator interference

[mack]

the computer shows best response for the area so there could be a fault with the information and possible operator interference

the computer shows the reccomended, or preset, response... then any additional resources have to be entered in.

[Crownie24]

1909800   22:48:54 02-02-08 MFS: *CFSRES INC071 02/02/08 22:48,RESPOND RUBBISH FIRE,91 CHILDERS ST,NORTH ADELAIDE MAP 1 H 4 TG182,BACKYARD,SAIR55 ADL202 - State Airdesk
1909800   22:52:35 02-02-08 MFS: *CFSRES INC073 02/02/08 22:52,RESPOND GRASS FIRE,93 GOVER ST,NORTH ADELAIDE MAP 1 M 4 TG182,IN BET GOVER AND CHILDERS,SAIR55 ADL201 - State Airdesk
1909800   22:54:09 02-02-08 MFS: *CFSRES INC073 02/02/08 22:53,RESPOND GRASS FIRE,93 GOVER ST,NORTH ADELAIDE MAP 1 M 4 TG182,,SAIR55 PPT371 - State Airdesk

Type: Grass Fire Became 1st Alarm Structure then went 2nd Alarm
Location: Between 91 Childers st & Gover st, North Adelaide
Appliances: 201, 203, 202, 206, 371

[chook]

Here is one for you all-
1919303 23:00:56 02-02-08 MFS: *CFSRES INC077 02/02/08 22:59,RESPOND Assist SAAS,PARINGA CFS,PARINGA MAP 0 0 0 TG203,PRIORITY 2 - MUTHO RD HEADINGS CLIFF - H,OUSE BOAT BIRTHED AT 600KM MARK - AT CAM,PING GROUND TOWARDS WILKADENE,PARG00 CFS Chaffey Group Officers Response
1919310 23:00:54 02-02-08 MFS: *CFSRES INC077 02/02/08 22:59,RESPOND Assist SAAS,PARINGA CFS,PARINGA MAP 0 0 0 TG203,PRIORITY 2 - MUTHO RD HEADINGS CLIFF - H,OUSE BOAT BIRTHED AT 600KM MARK - AT CAM,PING GROUND TOWARDS WILKADENE,PARG00 CFS Paringa Response
Incorrect resourse
1928012 23:21:43 02-02-08 MFS: RESOND AND ASSIST SAAS WITH COLLAPSE ON HOUSEBOAT - WILKADENE - REQUIRE RESCUE BOAT.. 02/02/2008 11:20:55 PM SES East Region
1915574 23:21:41 02-02-08 MFS: RESOND AND ASSIST SAAS WITH COLLAPSE ON HOUSEBOAT - WILKADENE - REQUIRE RESCUE BOAT.. 02/02/2008 11:20:55 PM SES Renmark Response
Correct response - Why? simple this unit has specially modified ladders and litters to get casualities off houseboats. Pity it took 20 minutes
I'm not sure why non rescue teams are sent to these jobs, if was a simple pickup and carry  SAAS wouldn't ask for help would they?
Similiar to the South Coast fatality a couple of weeks ago.
At least this time something may be done as our boss is also a vollie at Paringa, so finally the message may get through heres hoping.
Have a good night & cheers

[Crownie24]

Here is one for you all-
1919303 23:00:56 02-02-08 MFS: *CFSRES INC077 02/02/08 22:59,RESPOND Assist SAAS,PARINGA CFS,PARINGA MAP 0 0 0 TG203,PRIORITY 2 - MUTHO RD HEADINGS CLIFF - H,OUSE BOAT BIRTHED AT 600KM MARK - AT CAM,PING GROUND TOWARDS WILKADENE,PARG00 CFS Chaffey Group Officers Response
1919310 23:00:54 02-02-08 MFS: *CFSRES INC077 02/02/08 22:59,RESPOND Assist SAAS,PARINGA CFS,PARINGA MAP 0 0 0 TG203,PRIORITY 2 - MUTHO RD HEADINGS CLIFF - H,OUSE BOAT BIRTHED AT 600KM MARK - AT CAM,PING GROUND TOWARDS WILKADENE,PARG00 CFS Paringa Response
Incorrect resourse
1928012 23:21:43 02-02-08 MFS: RESOND AND ASSIST SAAS WITH COLLAPSE ON HOUSEBOAT - WILKADENE - REQUIRE RESCUE BOAT.. 02/02/2008 11:20:55 PM SES East Region
1915574 23:21:41 02-02-08 MFS: RESOND AND ASSIST SAAS WITH COLLAPSE ON HOUSEBOAT - WILKADENE - REQUIRE RESCUE BOAT.. 02/02/2008 11:20:55 PM SES Renmark Response
Correct response - Why? simple this unit has specially modified ladders and litters to get casualities off houseboats. Pity it took 20 minutes
I'm not sure why non rescue teams are sent to these jobs, if was a simple pickup and carry  SAAS wouldn't ask for help would they?
Similiar to the South Coast fatality a couple of weeks ago.
At least this time something may be done as our boss is also a vollie at Paringa, so finally the message may get through heres hoping.
Have a good night & cheers

I was listening to the scanner SAAS wanted the rescue boat....

Edit: Next time I'll read the quote I am a dumb donkey....

[chook]

Yep should have been called 20 minutes earlier, but as I said I'm sure it will be all soughted.
I hope Renmark was all present & correct though with the boss there in his firemans hat .
cheers

[backburn]

Well Chook was listening to scanner SAAS first asked for Paringa to attend as they have assisted done so before,on other occasions  then after awhile it changed to they requested a boat. They where just doing as asked by SAAS.

[chook]

Yep understand all of that - it seems that some re-education is required
As I have said previously, I'm sure it will be soughted out onne way or another.
cheers

[24pumper]

I'm not sure why non rescue teams are sent to these jobs, if was a simple pickup and carry  SAAS wouldn't ask for help would they?

The majority of Assist SAAS jobs i have been called to are just that, "a simple pick-up and carry" usually as the SAAS crew of 2 required another set of hands or 2. Having spoken to a few ambo's about it they generally say they ask for "firies" if they need a help with a lift. Which poses an interesting question, if a service requests a specific resource, eg. Firies, should the Comms guys be second guessing that??

[sesroadcrashrescue]

from a saas point of view i have always been told that in our area SES would be responding to assist with lifts etc unless we need to have fire there for a reason its ok we have three different kinds of trucks to pick from one red two white with yellow and three white with orange.
   

[pumprescue]

Comms can't go on every local arrangement, 9 times out of 10 they want man power or a stokes, which a number of CFS and MFS have. SAAS are used to the fact that most SES take to long, and most towns have a fire service in them. Saw a classic example the other day at Waterfall Gully, took SES well over 25 mins on the bell to get to the scene, when you have a fire appliance with stokes and rope equipment just down the street, and they call another SES for backup, so it makes you wonder doesn't it. The fire service always get accused of playing games, but it seems that isn't the case !

My volly station gets several calls a year for patient lifts, 99% of the time they just want man power, and the other 1% they want a stokes. They want it then and their, they don't want to wait, someone is having a heart attack etc, they want the nearest resource !

But having said that, if SES are nearest and have quick turn outs, then so be it.

[sesroadcrashrescue]

we work very close with our local SES (talk form SAAS view again)
we also what at least one full crew not one in a red truck and two in a white truck in our SES unit only 5 members live out side the town and out of them only two are to far away to respond for P1 P2 calls with a tun out time of less the 8mins at the same time if not soon after saas (when paged at the same time) 

[chook]

fair call, thanks for that info.
cheers

[Zippy]

well, here we go guys...heres what the NSW Rural fire service get for pager messages:

"04 February 2008 11:17:48 TOMKI BRIGADE PLEASE RESPOND TO MOTOR VEHICLE ACCIDENT AT BRUXNER HWY 2 KM FROM CASINO"
RFS Tomki (Richmond Valley)

[Cameron Yelland]

Basically the same as what SHQ used to put using airsource.

[Zippy]

yeh the good old days

SHQ: *CFSRES <BRIGADE NAMES> RESPOND <INCIDENT TYPE>, <INCIDENT LOCATION>, <FUTHER INFO>; <DATE/TIME>;