Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging

[mack]

Should have been a 2nd alarm Rescue response on the initial call.

What do you base that theory on? purely because of reported entrapments? sounds a bit daft to me mate..


Bittenyakka - the alarm at woodside army barracks is conencted direct to woodside station.

[Alan (Big Al)]

Should have been a 2nd alarm Rescue response on the initial call.

What do you base that theory on? purely because of reported entrapments? sounds a bit daft to me mate..


Bittenyakka - the alarm at woodside army barracks is conencted direct to woodside station.

I agree with RescueHazmat, 3 reported trapped, easy 1st and 2nd rescue on initial call.
It's like saying responding two BA briageds to a possible structure fire is a bit daft.

[Zippy]

It's like saying responding two BA briageds to a possible structure fire is a bit daft.

its SOP, quite often not followed  .....2 appliances responding to AFA's,  quite often cant be from the same station due to the chance of not enough crew responding.   theres always gonna be "the day" its more than a AFA, so having 2 appliances initally can knock it down before the fire takes hold....hopefully.

[mack]

Should have been a 2nd alarm Rescue response on the initial call.

What do you base that theory on? purely because of reported entrapments? sounds a bit daft to me mate..


Bittenyakka - the alarm at woodside army barracks is conencted direct to woodside station.

I agree with RescueHazmat, 3 reported trapped, easy 1st and 2nd rescue on initial call.
It's like saying responding two BA briageds to a possible structure fire is a bit daft.

i still feel differantly, if you have multiple vehicles with entrapments in seperate vehicles then sure go 2nd alarm of greater if necessary... but it is up to the first arriving officer to upgrade alarm, not the operator doing intial dispatch. Opens up new issues when we already have too many with responses.

from my experience and knowledge (no not from an RCR brigade) you shouldnt really be getting to work with more than one set of tools on a single vehicle...

[Alan (Big Al)]

Thats fair enough mack, but as an officer if saw a page like that for our brigade the first thing i would do is respond second rescue.

[RescueHazmat]

Should have been a 2nd alarm Rescue response on the initial call.

What do you base that theory on? purely because of reported entrapments? sounds a bit daft to me mate..


Bittenyakka - the alarm at woodside army barracks is conencted direct to woodside station.

2 Vehicles, 3 reported trapped and unconcious.. Even if the 'only' information was "3 trapped" I would send a second rescue on the ouset as the possibilities are alot higher that a second vehicle involved. (Particularly in areas where rescue resources are some distance..)


I believe in the paper the Ch.Inspector who witnessed the accidents made  reference to thinking there were 4 trapped.

I wouldn't take the risk and "hope" they weren't in the second vehicle.. Its much easier to put a stop back than respond them 15 minutes later because you have multiple entrapments in multiple vehicles..

[chook]

Mate you hit the nail on the head. 2nd rescue is about 40 kms away from the town concerned(and as I said were responded by SAPOL later for traffic).
The closest rescue to me about 18kms away, but that would depend in which direction the MVA is. Obviously if it was towards Loxton, they would get the nod. I know in Victoria there is a lot of discussion regarding too many resources crowding the scene. However around here we don't seem to have that problem often & when we do a discussion is held with all of the services involved and if there is nothing to do some go back home-simple.
This works with local SAMFS, CFS & my SES counterparts. Also some of the units here have some specialised gear (lighting towers, traffic lights etc) which we call on for bad MVA's/ Fatals, which means I can rest my people while nothing is going on, again less people at the scene.
Anyway I wasn't being critical of the brigade involved (have worked with them before & not a bad bunch of guys who know what they are doing), just surprised second rescue wasn't responded automatically.
cheers chook

[uniden]

Should have been a 2nd alarm Rescue response on the initial call.

What do you base that theory on? purely because of reported entrapments? sounds a bit daft to me mate..


Bittenyakka - the alarm at woodside army barracks is conencted direct to woodside station.

I agree with RescueHazmat, 3 reported trapped, easy 1st and 2nd rescue on initial call.
It's like saying responding two BA briageds to a possible structure fire is a bit daft.

i still feel differantly, if you have multiple vehicles with entrapments in seperate vehicles then sure go 2nd alarm of greater if necessary... but it is up to the first arriving officer to upgrade alarm, not the operator doing intial dispatch. Opens up new issues when we already have too many with responses.

from my experience and knowledge (no not from an RCR brigade) you shouldnt really be getting to work with more than one set of tools on a single vehicle...

Yes you can use more than one set of tools on a single vehicle. You just need to keep the communication up and work together even more than normally.

[countrygirl]

Johno,

Yes, it was tragic and perhaps your "BLIEVE" comment might apply to the young lad who was right behind one of the cars involved.
He certainly believed what he saw and it affected him as well.
By the time he got to his home in Waikerie, he needed medical attention for shock.
So how bout you spare a thought for other people in future?
The lad I speak about is related to me.

[RescueHazmat]

Countrygirl.. What are you talking about?

For starters.. The "BLEVE" tag in Jono's signature stands for "BOILING LIQUID EXPANDING VAPOR EXPLOSION" (BLEVE).. Not Believe, or 'Blieve'..

Secondly, I don't think he meant any dis-respect by the post, if anything, bringing light to the tradgedy!.. I know when I saw the post it was the first I knew of the incident and straight away phoned a family member who I knew was riding a motorcycle in that general area that morning to make sure it wasnt them !!

So how bout you spare a thought for other people before openly attacking them on here !.. Especially when you don't know the intention of their posting, nor the related content in it! .. Because I "believe" Jono meant nothing negative or dis-respectful by it!

[CFS_Firey]

1919385 09:52:19 06-10-07 WAIK: *CFSRES: MORE CREW REQUIRED RESPOND WAIKERIE STATION 06-10-07 09:53
1919390 09:52:17 06-10-07 WAIK: *CFSRES: MORE CREW REQUIRED RESPOND WAIKERIE STATION 06-10-07 09:53

Very quick call for more crew? Should this have generated a call for a second rescue crew? (3 trapped) Not that I think it would have made a difference, but if we are to fix on going response issues then everyone needs to play by the rules. If faced with the same message I would definitely have responded a second team. Cheers

thats a standard press button message to say need more crew to get the truck going,  often pressed around the 4min mark after reciept of callout in the aim of getting the Crew on the Road within 6 minutes.   pretty much a silent Fire siren.    For this sort of callout, forget a simple pager message,  getting the fire siren going can ensure those in Blackspots get the message theres a going job right now.

Often pressed 4 minutes after reciept of call... Notice this page came out 5 seconds later...?

[Zippy]

hehe mate,   4mins hit the button, hopefully at 5mins everyone's got it ....or i could hammer it into there head with the siren right away!

[Jono]

Countrygirl.. What are you talking about?

For starters.. The "BLEVE" tag in Jono's signature stands for "BOILING LIQUID EXPANDING VAPOR EXPLOSION" (BLEVE).. Not Believe, or 'Blieve'..

Secondly, I don't think he meant any dis-respect by the post, if anything, bringing light to the tradgedy!.. I know when I saw the post it was the first I knew of the incident and straight away phoned a family member who I knew was riding a motorcycle in that general area that morning to make sure it wasnt them !!

So how bout you spare a thought for other people before openly attacking them on here !.. Especially when you don't know the intention of their posting, nor the related content in it! .. Because I "believe" Jono meant nothing negative or dis-respectful by it!

Thanks bro,  Saved me from saying it 

[Alan (Big Al)]

 
1909070 20:46:28 08-10-07 MFS: INC # 75 - 08/10/07 20:48,RESPOND RUBBISH FIRE,HINDMARSH ESP,HAYBOROUGH, MAP 310 P 5 ,,SMALL FIRE ON BEACH AT CHITON ROCKS NEAR WALKWAY,719 18924*CFSRES: CFS Waitpinga Response

Interesting, Waitping being called to the port elliot side of victor, apart from MFS there are easily 3 brigades closer than them, especially port elliot who is only about 3kms away.

[mack]

1919385 09:52:19 06-10-07 WAIK: *CFSRES: MORE CREW REQUIRED RESPOND WAIKERIE STATION 06-10-07 09:53
1919390 09:52:17 06-10-07 WAIK: *CFSRES: MORE CREW REQUIRED RESPOND WAIKERIE STATION 06-10-07 09:53

Very quick call for more crew? Should this have generated a call for a second rescue crew? (3 trapped) Not that I think it would have made a difference, but if we are to fix on going response issues then everyone needs to play by the rules. If faced with the same message I would definitely have responded a second team. Cheers

thats a standard press button message to say need more crew to get the truck going,  often pressed around the 4min mark after reciept of callout in the aim of getting the Crew on the Road within 6 minutes.   pretty much a silent Fire siren.    For this sort of callout, forget a simple pager message,  getting the fire siren going can ensure those in Blackspots get the message theres a going job right now.

Often pressed 4 minutes after reciept of call... Notice this page came out 5 seconds later...?

im guessing someone knew about the job and hit the button in the station to get a crew, in the meantime while the page dialed out adelaide fire must have put out the response...

[Alan (Big Al)]

According to a differant website it was 4mins gap between initial and more crew page

[Darius]

the pages were:

09:52:14 06-10-07 MFS: INC # 29 - 06/10/07 09:50,RESPOND RCR,STURT HWY,WAIKERIE, MAP 0 0 0 ,,3 PERSONS ,UNCONCIOUS AND TRAPPED,13 KM TOWARDS BARMERA,35519*CFSRES: CFS Waikerie Response

09:56:16 06-10-07 WAIK: *CFSRES: MORE CREW REQUIRED RESPOND WAIKERIE STATION 06-10-07 09:53 CFS Waikerie Response

So there was a 4 minute delay in the "more crew" page however the time put in the pager message by the alpha decoder box says 09:53. You would expect this box to get it's time off the paging network so to me that indicates the button was pushed pretty promptly after initial page but then took 3 minutes to dial out and send. So might be worth a Waikerie person looking into that.

[Zippy]

actually..i find after pressing any button on the alpha decoder its usually a minute before it comes out....i normally wait till 4mins have passed (yeh i generally find myself at the station after 60 seconds lol)...pressing the button too early doesnt make the already driving responders go any faster hehe.

[safireservice]

MFS: From ACO X XXXXXXX, please be advised that due to staffing constraints, the ERV Gallantry will be off duty
untill 1800hrs 09/10/2007. Other services being advised. Pls acknowledge receipt of this page to Comcen

Gee wont the UFU be pleased about that. 

[Zippy]

isnt that boat just on standby being used rarely???

[Zippy]

MFS: INC # 60 - 09/10/07 18:28,RESPOND To,MONTGOMERY CT,STRATHALBYN, MAP 251 J 6 ,,TRANSFORMER EXPLODED, POWER LINES DOWN - ETSA NOTIFIED,1558*CFSRES: CFS Strathalbyn Response
MFS: INC # 61 - 09/10/07 18:28,RESPOND Tree Fire,290 LOBBAN RD,MONASH, MAP 000 0 0 ,,FIRE AT REAR OF THIS PROPERTY,39424*CFSRES: CFS Monash Response

MFS: INC # 62 - 09/10/07 18:32,RESPOND To,SANDSTONE AV,NARACOORTE, MAP 0 0 0 ,,UNKNOWN TYPE FIRE, CALLERS # 0887620592,5629*CFSRES: CFS Naracoorte Response

MFS: INC # 63 - 09/10/07 18:33,RESPOND GRASS FIRE,PINNAROO CFS,PINNAROO, MAP 0 0 0 ,,BORDERTOWN RD, 23-30KM FROM PINNAROO,WEST SIDE, GRID REF 780 724,34519*CFSRES: CFS Pinnaroo Response

MFS: INC # 64 - 09/10/07 18:37,RESPOND To,MENINGIE ,MENINGIE, MAP 0 0 0 ,,FIRE NEAR SILOS WEST END OF TOWN,32124*CFSRES: CFS Meningie Response

MFS: INC # 65 - 09/10/07 18:38,RESPOND GRASS FIRE,HAHNDORF CFS,HAHNDORF, MAP 0 0 0 ,,SMALL GRASS FIRE ON HAHNFDORF TO ECHUNGA ROAD, 3KM FROM HAHNDORF ON LEFT HAND SIDE,1228*CFSRES: CFS Heysen Group Officers Response

Busy 10mins at Adelaide Fire...at the same time...4 Lots of dispatchs to Private Alarms around Adelaide...Geez...

Radio operations woulda been busy since all of those incidents are spread over 3 Regional talkgroups lol

[safireservice]

Thats what they're paid for.

[Zippy]

yep!

but the real test is....will the system hold up to the riggers of the service in the summer... 

[mack]

more of a strange response...

MFS: INC # 43 - 10/10/07 11:27,RESPOND RCR,OLAVE HILL RD,HAWTHORNDENE, MAP 155 F 10 ,,NEAR INTERSECTION OF TURNERS RD. SINGLE VEHICLE ROLLOVER.,4719 8424
9019*CFSRES:

then

MFS: INC # 43 - 10/10/07 11:30,RESPOND RCR,OLAVE HILL RD,HAWTHORNDENE, MAP 155 F 10 ,,NEAR TURNERS AVE. SINGLE VEHICLE ROLLOVER. ASSIST BLACKWOOD,4924*CFSRES:


should of been 4719 & 4924 to begin with...


have to wonder if some data has been rejiggled lately without consultation with all groups/parties when ya see differant/strange responses going down...

[wilma]

1909332 10:29:05 10-10-07 MFS: INC # 34 - 10/10/07 10:30,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,INGLEWOOD (SE) ,INGLEWOOD (SE), MAP 0 0 0 ,,CAR ROLL OVER, NO ENTRAP, ADEL - MANNUM,ROAD, 2KM PAST INGLEWOOD TOWARDS,CHAIN OF PONDS,5968*CFSRES: CFS Bordertown Response