Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging

[rescue5271]

1909181 12:21:26 09-12-07 DISAPPOINTING RESPONSE AGAIN FOR ROSEWORTHY CREW STRIKE TEAM FOR MONDAY THEREFORE CANCELLED. CFS Roseworthy Info



Maybe no one wants to go as they have work/family/business commitments if these fires are going to drag on and affect our resources(members) then time to call in out side help.  this kind of pager message is not needed and some members might take offence!!!!!!!

[CFS_Firey]

Is there an echo in this thread?

[rescue5271]

I did not see it already on there at the time....It is good to see that CFA/TASSIE and NSW along with MFS are now coming into help along with one skycrane from Victoria

[Smokeydk]

May I ask where the pager messages people are posting are from..I seem to have lost the Site??

[6739264]

Is there an echo in this thread?

[SA Firey]

May I ask where the pager messages people are posting are from..I seem to have lost the Site??

Here you go smokey
http://www.sacfs.org/paging/

or
[link removed - no longer working]

[Smokeydk]

Thanks Mate....noted, I felt out of the loop....^5s, our brigade as crew on KI.

[SA Firey]

MFS: INC # 42 - 14/12/07 11:38,RESPOND RCR,TWENTYTHIRD ST,RENMARK, MAP 0 0 0 ,,2 CAR MVA CNR STURT HWY,NIL ENTRAPMENTS FROM SAAS,REN029 REN618*CFSRES: MFS Renmark Response

MFS: FROM SAAS - PERSONS MAY BE TRAPPED CFSRES MFS Renmark Response


Hmmm okay so which is it :-o

[chook]

They were a slight entrapment Renmark got them out after they got a crew - not too serious I was told both PT's out of vehicle before we arrived.
I was notified of the requirement to respond a minute or so before the page below:-
1918237 11:45:41 14-12-07 MFS: INC # 42 - 14/12/07 11:45,RESPOND RCR,TWENTYTHIRD ST,RENMARK, MAP 0 0 0 ,,CNR STURT H/WAY..RENMARK PROBLEMS GETTING CREW,BRI029*CFSRES: SES Berri
So can only go by what I was told over the radio.
cheers

[Firefrog]

05:09:00   17-12-07   THANKS everybody only ONE person has turned up for this call you are making it very easy for MFS to move in. Seaford Captain - SEAFORD STATION CFS Seaford Info

:-o :-o :-o :-o

[chook]

And people want to take rescue tasks off us - what can I say.

[Zippy]

maybe no one was available at all..people do need sleep before work in the morning...Defaulting isnt the death knell.

fighting against MFS just for a rubbish fire...ehhh im sure they would have it in hand b4 the CFS truck was mobile.

[chook]

No its not, however when elements with in CFS/SAMFS are constantly pushing for the demise of SES Rescue then it should be an indication that such plans are potentially dangerous
1908931 11:15:47 17-12-07 MFS: INC # 38 - 17/12/07 11:15,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,BAY TCE,PENNESHAW, MAP 0 0 0 ,,NEAR THE FERRY - CAR VS FENCE,PENN00*CFSRES: CFS KI Group Officers Response
1908937 11:15:45 17-12-07 MFS: INC # 38 - 17/12/07 11:15,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,BAY TCE,PENNESHAW, MAP 0 0 0 ,,NEAR THE FERRY - CAR VS FENCE,PENN00*CFSRES: CFS Penneshaw Response
1908931 11:29:30 17-12-07 MFS: RESCUE 51 REQUIRES A LANDING SITE FOR HELECOPTER AT PENNESHAW - PLEASE ADVISE ADELAIDE FIRE OF LOCATION 17/12/2007 11:29:17 AM CFS KI Group Officers Response
1908937 11:29:28 17-12-07 MFS: RESCUE 51 REQUIRES A LANDING SITE FOR HELECOPTER AT PENNESHAW - PLEASE ADVISE ADELAIDE FIRE OF LOCATION 17/12/2007 11:29:17 AM CFS Penneshaw Response
No rescue again?
cheers

[Pipster]

An MFS appliance was also sent to this call at 1121 Hrs...not sure if they had rescue gear on board.....?

However, even if they did have rescue gear, the set down protocols for that area are not being followed.....

Pip

[captain]

OK yeah sure it was only a small rubbish fire (infact play equipment i think in the end) and it was in MFS area (just). So does that make it OK for my crew to lay in bed and make the call not to go, just because it might be some crappy little rubbish fire, and MFS might beat us there, so what. The pager has gone off for a reason what ever it might be, how do any of my crew know that the Christies units might be doing at that time, they might be committed with a Fixed Alarm or a MVA else were in their own area and require our help. My personal thoughts are, we get too much info on the pagers and crews make up their minds weather to get out of bed or not, if it was a call for an MVA or a domestic I bet I could have had 2 units on the road no problems. Bring back the old link pagers I say (a tone and a red flashing light) back then we could get 2 units on the road and have 2 relief crew at the station on standby. AHHH bring back the good old days.

[chook]

Yep I would be filtered too - good on you!
cheers

[Jimmy]

With regards to the KI RCR,

SES have a dedicated vehicle and crew on the island based at Pandana Basecamp for the duration of the fires so they can relieve local crews. They will not be responded by pager, instead directly by phone or radio (or even tapping them on the shoulder) by SES Command. Although Kingscote SES is still active and Penneshaw would be their area normally (??) I'm sure the SES rescue truck also went.

[Pipster]

I believe Kingscote SES is the rescue response for that area...besides, anything at Parndana is about a 40 minute or so drive......

Interesting tho', there was a crash part way between American River & Penneshaw last night (Sunday night)- both CFS & SES in attendance, but I can't find a pager message for either.....so the radio / phone contact might have been the way things were done...

Pip

[RescueHazmat]

OK yeah sure it was only a small rubbish fire (infact play equipment i think in the end) and it was in MFS area (just). So does that make it OK for my crew to lay in bed and make the call not to go, just because it might be some crappy little rubbish fire, and MFS might beat us there, so what. The pager has gone off for a reason what ever it might be, how do any of my crew know that the Christies units might be doing at that time, they might be committed with a Fixed Alarm or a MVA else were in their own area and require our help. My personal thoughts are, we get too much info on the pagers and crews make up their minds weather to get out of bed or not, if it was a call for an MVA or a domestic I bet I could have had 2 units on the road no problems. Bring back the old link pagers I say (a tone and a red flashing light) back then we could get 2 units on the road and have 2 relief crew at the station on standby. AHHH bring back the good old days.

They are still Volunteers.

You keep sending pager messages like that, and you won't have members. . Even harder to respond then.

[Firefrog]

I tend to agree.....

I always have believed that it is better to value what time can be given rather than ridicule people for not giving what you may expect.

By actively thanking people for what they can give I have found they in turn want to give more. It takes time but you can turn the tide..... :-)

[JC]

But these people who are not turning up are the same people that where screaming blue murder when all the whole seaford MFS thing started, you cant jump up and down trying to defend your brigades existence one week then role over and not rock up to jobs the next.

[RescueHazmat]

.. & granted.. - However I don't think messages like the one shown, are the method to improve response / crew issues!

[rescue5271]

Well if members are not willing to get out of bed for all type of call outs and only want to go to the ggod one then there is a need for the action that was taken..Good on their captain for doing it....Time members if able to attend call outs stopped selecting what they want to go to....Its the same with fixed alarms at 3am in winter no one wants to get out of bed but one day there will be a working job from a fixed alarm....

[RescueHazmat]

My opinion still stands. - Treat vollies like that, and you won't have them for long.

[littlejohn]

My opinion still stands. - Treat vollies like that, and you won't have them for long.

Maybe not, but odds on that the thoughts of the vollies when they saw the response message were "ah, we always get a crew, someone else will get this one." and back to sleep they go.

Sometimes it pays to remind members that 'someone else' won't always get there.