Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging

[fire8029]

And CoQ's have a different AIRS code to a structure fire...

A CoQ should have it's own DIN no? It is a discrete appliance movement after all.
[/quote]

I think COQ should have there own inc number, i know it doesnt happen very often but when regional do COQ you need a job number.

[Hazmat206]

09:44:02 05-01-12 (Part 1 of 2) CFS:*CFSRES: LIGHT STRIKE TEAM REQUIRED MEET PT WAKEFIELD 11:30AM TODAY, BACK SUNDAY, FREELING QRV, GREENOCK 14, KAPUNDA 34, WOOLSHEDS 34, DUBLIN 24, CAPTAINS RING LIGHT D/O 0417845862. - CFS Light Group Info

Interesting to send Woolsheds who are a 1 appliance brigade when 3 other brigades in the group who have 2 appliances aren't even sending 1

[crossy]

I think only kapunda and freeling ended up going attached to para groups strike team..

[Alex]

Question: Whose idea was it to break up the daily incident number system into ....god knows another groups..

Isn't the whole point of the DIN, for the comcen to differentiate between each and every job.

I would have thought each DIN, has a different AIRS incident number.

E.g

INC0001 RESPOND STRUCTURE COMMERICAL BLA
INC0001 RESPOND CHANGE OF QUARTERS

As the COQ is an action caused by Incident 0001

"AIRS numbers", PIRs are sequential for every job added to AIRS, these push automatically from SACAD regardless of the agency or DIN and are always unique, ie; they dont reset at midnight.

Each Comcen generates its own DINs which are meant to represent part of the workload and contain COQ. Since the transition to SACAD, SAFire and SASES events seem to have split into there own sets of DINs.

So yes, every event is meant to have its own DIN, however SES get there own counter.

[straps]

1909066 04:50:27 06-01-12 CFSRES VICTOR: URGENT STRIKE TEAM REQUIRED FOR 8AM DEPARTURE TODAY FOR LOWER FLINDERS. RETURN MONDAY. PHONE GC ON 8552 3210 IF AVAILABLE. FROM GO. VH-Base 6/1/2
 

1909066 04:14:27 06-01-12 CFSRES OPS SUPPORT: IMMEDIATE RESPONSE OF OPS SUPPORT BRIGADE TO VICTOR GROUP CENTRE TO ASSIST WITH ASSEMBLY OF STRIKE TEAM. FROM GO. 6/1/2012
 

I am curious as to whether 0430 recruitment for Strike teams and resources are really warranted given that this incident has been going for at least 3 - 4 days now..?? Whilst I fully appreciate that any fire can be dynamic and resource requirements can change rapidly, I would have thought that the resources required would be better understood (rather than a new, escalating fire) and that recruitment and acquisition of resources would occur in a more timely manner.

I am not being critical but rather making a constructive "outsiders" observation and asking whether this is the norm and / or appropriate for an incident that is 'not new' so to speak and that a 'Reduced Threat' message was issued last night...

ANy thoughts / feedback...

[Alan (Big Al)]

I think that its rubbish having such short notice for such a long deployment, but it all comes down to poor planning, i have done a 3 day KI deployment on 10 mins notice yet everyone else on the same plane had 12 hrs notice.

And why on earth would you need your OPS support brigade to activate for a 3 or 4 appliance strike team to well outside your area.

[fire8029]

06-01-12 09:24:12 MFS: *CFSRES INC0029 06/01/12 09:23 RESPOND CHANGE OF QUARTERS, : @MFS - 64 **UNK** MAIN ST KAPUNDA,MAP:SKP 1 G 9,TG 093, :GAW359 : - MFS Gawler GAW359
06-01-12 09:24:10 MFS: *CFSRES INC0029 06/01/12 09:23 RESPOND CHANGE OF QUARTERS, : @MFS - 64 **UNK** MAIN ST KAPUNDA,MAP:SKP 1 G 9,TG 093, :GAW359 : - MFS Gawler Station

why is this happening, i dont see a job for kapunda?

[Zippy]

Planning & Timing doesnt seem to be on Region 1's side at present.

The initial Sturt/Lofty/Mawson/ET strike team left yesterday at 1500.

Instead of 8pm or 5am this morning, The call to individual brigades in Victor/Strath/Onka/SouthFleu should have started at 1500 yesterday. That gives people time at work, to discuss arrangements with there bosses. Departure time could have still been 0700.

In 2009, for the victorian fire deployments, Region 1, did a very good job. They paged all of the group officers at the same time, bringing the request to all GO/DGO/CAPT's attention at the same time. Due to this, pre-planning was on the spot, rather than delayed.

Was information flow a victim of staff movements???  Region 2 are kicking 1's asses.

[pumprescue]

Kapunda have no crew

[Alan (Big Al)]

Boring as batpoo day for the gawler lads then

[straps]

1930428 12:53:57 06-01-12 MFS: *CFSRES INC0042 06/01/12 11:56 RESPOND STAGING AREA, THIRD ST WILMINGTON,MAP:C/398 54,TG 071, ==AS PER DISCUSSION WITH D/O STAPLE. :ADL201 SAL321 :
MFS Adelaide Station

Is this likely for more personnel or specialised fleet, due to some form of asset protection..

If it were personnel alone, then I would have thought a mini bus with personnel on board would be more efficient than driving BRT into the country..!?!?

Just curious (again not being critical, more intrigued)..

Cheers
Shane

[Alex]

I think that its rubbish having such short notice for such a long deployment, but it all comes down to poor planning, i have done a 3 day KI deployment on 10 mins notice yet everyone else on the same plane had 12 hrs notice.

Yep, noticed yesterday Sturt group got 1 hr notice to organise 3 appliances with crews for a 3 day deployment? And they wonder why people cant manage it.

1930428 12:53:57 06-01-12 MFS: *CFSRES INC0042 06/01/12 11:56 RESPOND STAGING AREA, THIRD ST WILMINGTON,MAP:C/398 54,TG 071, ==AS PER DISCUSSION WITH D/O STAPLE. :ADL201 SAL321 :
MFS Adelaide Station

Is this likely for more personnel or specialised fleet, due to some form of asset protection..

If it were personnel alone, then I would have thought a mini bus with personnel on board would be more efficient than driving BRT into the country..!?!?

Just curious (again not being critical, more intrigued)..

Cheers
Shane

More than likely BRTs for asset protection in the townships. Not point having personell without equipment to get to work.

[piriejono]

Its for asset protection PP501 PP5014 and Kadina661 are also up there the fire is very active.

[Darius]

Region 2 are kicking 1's asses.

R2 have been in everything (not just planning) for a while now. Giving people 15mins, or an hour, notice to go away for 3-5 days is very poor organisational planning and very poor treatment of volunteers (especially for a fire that has been going for some time).

As for the Victor group pages, I'm very surprised the GO did that. A 10am departure to drive that distance would make no practical difference on the fireground.

[vsteve01]

We were told on Thu night that no more region 1 crews would be needed until Today, then we got the 4am wake up call.  Based on the pager messages earlier on Thu I prebooked my leave with my bosses.

It made a long day to.  We didn't get into the awesome tents until 11-12 that night.

We got deployed almost straight away and don't think we relieved anyone.

The fire was rapidly changing and the wind shifts were amazing.  A couple of  times we were blacking out a control line, then watching it take off before falling back a k or 2 to the next control line.    I believe this behaviour didn't stop during the night, so the 4am call could have been of panic.

I heard originally they wanted the crews for 8am, which got hit on the head straight away.

[straps]

1930443 20:12:17 08-01-12 E2 PR: 2 - : @GLOUCESTER RESIDENTIAL CARE 25 ROOPENA ST INGLE FARM 83 H16 D0702 Disp: 20:01 HEALTH CARE
SAAS Unit H5

Can't remember if I have asked before, but who / what is E2..??

CHeers
Shane

[safireservice]

 

It made a long day to.  We didn't get into the awesome tents until 11-12 that night.

Must have been extremely unconfortable in those tents during the day, especially friday.

[vsteve01]

 

It made a long day to.  We didn't get into the awesome tents until 11-12 that night.

Must have been extremely unconfortable in those tents during the day, especially friday.

The day sleepers got stretchers in a gym.

The night was bad enough hot, humid, noisy and uncomfortable. Not a lot of sleep was had by all

[FlameTrees]

1909066 04:50:27 06-01-12 CFSRES VICTOR: URGENT STRIKE TEAM REQUIRED FOR 8AM DEPARTURE TODAY FOR LOWER FLINDERS. RETURN MONDAY. PHONE GC ON 8552 3210 IF AVAILABLE. FROM GO. VH-Base 6/1/2
 

1909066 04:14:27 06-01-12 CFSRES OPS SUPPORT: IMMEDIATE RESPONSE OF OPS SUPPORT BRIGADE TO VICTOR GROUP CENTRE TO ASSIST WITH ASSEMBLY OF STRIKE TEAM. FROM GO. 6/1/2012
 

I am curious as to whether 0430 recruitment for Strike teams and resources are really warranted given that this incident has been going for at least 3 - 4 days now..?? Whilst I fully appreciate that any fire can be dynamic and resource requirements can change rapidly, I would have thought that the resources required would be better understood (rather than a new, escalating fire) and that recruitment and acquisition of resources would occur in a more timely manner.

I am not being critical but rather making a constructive "outsiders" observation and asking whether this is the norm and / or appropriate for an incident that is 'not new' so to speak and that a 'Reduced Threat' message was issued last night...

ANy thoughts / feedback...

Yep. I was on the IMT that made that decision. We identified due to increased fire activity overnight, and a chronic change in weather forecast received at 0300 that we were going to need more resources than had originally been planned for. Reduced Threat was replaced at 0530 with a WAM.

[FlameTrees]

I will clarify that we didnt make the decision what groups / regions went, or to wake up the Ops team at Victor.

We just identified needed more resources. And needed them before 10am!

[safireservice]

MFS: *CFSRES INC0018 09/01/12 05:03 RESPOND FIRE ALARM, : @RESTHAVEN #033/030 200 ADAMS RD CRAIGMORE,MAP:ADL 52 Q 2,TG 102, ==INPUT DESC - SPKL ADJACENT MAIN ENTRY :DALK19 ELZ331 ELZ339 MORK34 R2 HUTCHIN :

Operator error perhaps?

[misterteddy]

...IMT...

there's the source of the problem right there 

[fire8029]

MFS: *CFSRES INC0018 09/01/12 05:03 RESPOND FIRE ALARM, : @RESTHAVEN #033/030 200 ADAMS RD CRAIGMORE,MAP:ADL 52 Q 2,TG 102, ==INPUT DESC - SPKL ADJACENT MAIN ENTRY :DALK19 ELZ331 ELZ339 MORK34 R2 HUTCHIN :

Operator error perhaps?

There was a page just after this that said stop call.

[safireservice]

Yes there was but the question is just how did they get on the response? I thought SACAD was all automated and free of operator input in the initial turnout?

[pumprescue]

It is free of operator input, there was no operator input involved, operators only hit recomend then dispatch, remember that when you get a response....