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Re: Metro CFS volunteers
« Reply #50 on: August 02, 2007, 06:09:55 PM »
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What ever happens there must be something done very quickly because training and organising these crew will take a good chunk of the time left before FDS.

I don't think anyone has ever suggested it will be happening within the next 12 months. There has been no money allocated in the budget for this program and as far as I can tell it is all still a dream in the mind of a couple of people in Waymouth Street.

If it it happens the earliest we would see anyone on the fireground would be late 2008 early 2009.
Recruiting has already started in certain areas.

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where are they recruiting this first lot from?

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Re: Metro CFS volunteers
« Reply #51 on: August 02, 2007, 08:54:41 PM »
With all the news articles about the CFS on TV and radio do you think anyone will want to join now????

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Re: Metro CFS volunteers
« Reply #52 on: August 03, 2007, 01:48:23 PM »
They can come and mop up my fires, so I can get my troops home and rested. Saves having to respond strike teams to mop up, taking resources and precious few available FF's out of area.

Makes good sense.  Certainly that's how RFS used us blow-ins at Arcadia & probably other places.  Their folks went back to earning a living & did first response in the area while we blacked out.  From the PoV of a hose-dragger, it seemed to work well.
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Re: Metro CFS volunteers
« Reply #53 on: August 03, 2007, 02:04:46 PM »
But if you need the 2nd responders crew, why is it that some CFS Brigades will not let you join unless you are within 5 mins response time  :?

Surely it does not matter if the person has 15 mins travel time, because the 1st responders have already left. They will be for a shift change or blacking out, or traffic control, or maintenance.

Difficult to keep the volunteer enthusiastic when they do not get many jobs, but at least they still help the community.

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Re: Metro CFS volunteers
« Reply #54 on: August 03, 2007, 02:15:37 PM »
Because of the cap placed on membership by CFS HQ, with the SFEC's, my brigade is very strict with the area's we recruit from because of this. If we had the ability to take on 10 or so people without affecting our SFEC numbers we would probably take people from out of area. But we have a responsability to get the truck out quickly, so can't afford to take on people out of area.

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Re: Metro CFS volunteers
« Reply #55 on: August 03, 2007, 04:47:04 PM »
As I have said before the so called CAP can be removed and it is not enforced its manily a brigade rule in some urban brigade's...They are the one's that can cap or not cap ......If you want to get a cap on membership removed there is a way of doing it by asking for a change in the SFEC for your brigade or group..... It would be fair to see that a number of brigade's would have more members if this was removed

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Re: Metro CFS volunteers
« Reply #56 on: August 04, 2007, 08:57:56 AM »
But if you need the 2nd responders crew, why is it that some CFS Brigades will not let you join unless you are within 5 mins response time  :?

Given that the majority of vols are employed, & in outer-metro areas tend to be employed down in the 'burbs, it can take a full SFEC (funded) list of 1st-response members to get a minimum crew together in the required time - out the door in 4 or 6 minutes or whatever.  Their real need is for more first-response people.  For 2nd-response,,, well, there's the rest of the existing membership list straggling in late to fill that quota.  Why would a brigade with 'full' membership "waste" their discretionary $$ on people who merely duplicate what they've already got?

Of course, if a brigade is way short of its SFEC funded strength and with little prospect of additional 1st-responder recruitment, then out-of-area members might be valuable in keeping the brigade viable as a group reserve for strike teams & etc. At least until local recruiting conditions change for the better.

In any event, I think the CFS may need to revise its minimum 1st response crew size - responding more brigades to jobs to ensure enough hands & feet arrive, especially during B/H. The requirement that a working crew must all arrive in the one vehicle from the one station is pen-pushing neatness rather than a real-world essential. As proven by the number of composite crews on strike teams over the last 2 summers. Don MacArthur's push for standard trucks & training enables just this. Plus, a stop-call on excess responders is easier & quicker to arrange than default turn-outs - as stated clearly by the RCR MoU.  Better outcome for the public too.



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Re: Metro CFS volunteers
« Reply #57 on: August 04, 2007, 03:53:44 PM »
...I think the CFS may need to revise its minimum 1st response crew size...

What is the recommended minimum crew size before a CFS truck roles ?
Genuine curiosity because I have seen & heard different numbers.
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Re: Metro CFS volunteers
« Reply #58 on: August 04, 2007, 04:27:09 PM »
What is the recommended minimum crew size before a CFS truck roles ?
Genuine curiosity because I have seen & heard different numbers.

I understand it is 4.  But I have not confirmed this recently from the COSO/SOP folder.  It's a sensible number - operating a truck with less than that is hard yakka. But I see no problem with say, 3 appliances turning up from 3 brigades with only three bods per truck, forming into two crews & operating just two of the appliances.  The third is a handy source of extra water & hardware, and a useful traffic calming device.


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Re: Metro CFS volunteers
« Reply #59 on: August 04, 2007, 04:49:49 PM »
Most groups have 4 as a minimum but some do have three.If you are an EMA brigade then 4, which at least 2 must be BA is the criteria when going into MFS area.

You need 4 really as two are BA, and the Driver/Pump Operator is doubling as an ECO then you have one who is OIC or Incident Controller,so 4 to maintain a safe work environment at a job.
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Re: Metro CFS volunteers
« Reply #60 on: August 04, 2007, 11:36:20 PM »
Most groups have 4 as a minimum but some do have three.

Is that number a local decision ? 
Or is it (as I have been told but not researched) a CFSHQ COSO/SOP?

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Re: Metro CFS volunteers
« Reply #61 on: August 05, 2007, 11:26:46 AM »
When you take a look at it the formation of a Metro CFS station would actually be a good thing cause people who are interested in joining the CFS but live within Adelaide City limits too far from any volunteer station can sign up and be apart of the metro station  :-)

Its really tempting for CFS vollies who plan to move to Adelaide and still wanna be involved with the CFS  :-D
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Re: Metro CFS volunteers
« Reply #62 on: August 05, 2007, 03:18:28 PM »
You'd be the Captain in a week Rob !



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Re: Metro CFS volunteers
« Reply #63 on: August 05, 2007, 03:33:50 PM »
Moving to Adelaide is really tempting :wink: although im gonna wait and see what happens down my way first  :-)
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Re: Metro CFS volunteers
« Reply #64 on: August 05, 2007, 06:57:19 PM »
You'd be the Captain in a week Rob !



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Re: Metro CFS volunteers
« Reply #65 on: August 05, 2007, 08:27:22 PM »
Yeah i would have my pager on me at all times as well as a GRN radio in my car  :-D
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Re: Metro CFS volunteers
« Reply #66 on: August 06, 2007, 03:58:23 PM »
Most groups have 4 as a minimum but some do have three.

Is that number a local decision ? 
Or is it (as I have been told but not researched) a CFSHQ COSO/SOP?
I'm pretty sure the SOP's say a minimum crew for an appliance is 4, however it also defines an appliance as having > 2000litres (?) so QAV's, 14s 12, etc don't have a minimum....

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Re: Metro CFS volunteers
« Reply #67 on: August 06, 2007, 05:58:17 PM »
i have heard 4 for 24's and 2 for 14s

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Re: Metro CFS volunteers
« Reply #68 on: August 06, 2007, 06:31:54 PM »
Doesnt the first responding appliance have to be a minimum of a 2.2 appliance with a crew of 4?

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Re: Metro CFS volunteers
« Reply #69 on: August 06, 2007, 06:50:53 PM »
That makes it a little difficult if you only have a 14 appliance..... :-D

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Re: Metro CFS volunteers
« Reply #70 on: August 06, 2007, 07:55:39 PM »
I'm pretty sure the SOP's say a minimum crew for an appliance is 4, however it also defines an appliance as having > 2000litres (?) so QAV's, 14s 12, etc don't have a minimum....

Hmmm. must be time to drop 100L out of the 24 & call it a QAV.  :roll:

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Re: Metro CFS volunteers
« Reply #71 on: August 06, 2007, 07:59:16 PM »
The minimum crew for QAV's is either 2 or 4 people pending on if its a 2 door or 4 door 4WD 
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Re: Metro CFS volunteers
« Reply #72 on: August 06, 2007, 08:19:49 PM »
are you guys drifting just a little bit off topic?
I just want to help

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Re: Metro CFS volunteers
« Reply #73 on: August 19, 2007, 04:44:57 PM »
Salisbury CFS have got the ball rolling.

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Re: Metro CFS volunteers
« Reply #74 on: August 27, 2007, 09:20:18 AM »
Doesnt the first responding appliance have to be a minimum of a 2.2 appliance with a crew of 4?

Per SOP a  minimum crew is 4. An appliance is a 24 or larger type appliance (presumably they consider a type 2 larger then...).

Pip, the SOPs say that two QAVs or 14s constitute one appliance... but i guess if all youve got is a 14 youd be dual responded (hopefully) anyway.