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Offline Alan J

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Re: New 34P
« Reply #225 on: July 13, 2008, 07:41:38 PM »
Quote from: safireservice on July 13, 2008, 07:14:15 PM
You wouldnt think a dodgy lot from 1 manufacturer would hold up some form a completely different 1 though?

Depends upon who 'owns' the design.
For example, NSW RFS own their appliance designs & contract builders to make them.
They have about 8 or so stock plans & that is what your brigade can have. Period.
So, if the design is defective & owned by CFS, then whoever builds it is likely to
build in the faults of the original run **unless the CFS has fixed the design**.

If, on the other hand, CFS is buying appliances designed by the manufacturer, we can
expect a completely different set of faults. Other than the cheapo hose fittings
specified by the CFS that is...  :evil:

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Re: New 34P
« Reply #226 on: September 27, 2008, 12:53:12 PM »
Quote from: bill - Hynam CFS on September 08, 2007, 04:11:48 PM
Nice looking appliance but not good for a running grass fire..........
Well what are you going to do when you get yours? I assume it will be your 1st response rural truck?
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Re: New 34P
« Reply #227 on: September 27, 2008, 04:25:40 PM »
Not my problem........
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Re: New 34P
« Reply #228 on: September 27, 2008, 06:54:43 PM »
Why is it no good for running grass fire?  Has the same capabilities of a standard 34
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Re: New 34P
« Reply #229 on: September 28, 2008, 07:21:04 AM »
I had a look at the new varley 34p the other day very nice,crew deck is a little small for space to work on the rear,I disliked how they have painted the inlets and outlets so as the crew know which hose goes where they must think we are all idiots... Looks good but will wait and see how they go in the field,Cam,I did not like it for grass fire attack as there is (a) not much room on the rear and(b) you only have two deck lines.......But will see how it goes....

Sorry I was not allowed to take photos while it was sitting where it was.....
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Re: New 34P
« Reply #230 on: September 28, 2008, 08:52:53 AM »
Quote from: bill - Hynam CFS on September 28, 2008, 07:21:04 AM
I disliked how they have painted the inlets and outlets so as the crew know which hose goes where they must think we are all idiots...

Oh no! They made it easy to follow the path of water flow! How dare they! Mind you, if they have read any of this forum, then they have done well to finally colour code the pump, like the rest of the country has. ;)
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Re: New 34P
« Reply #231 on: September 28, 2008, 09:28:30 AM »
The inlet / outlet on our 14 year old Hino are colour coded........ 

I think it is more important now that they colour code than ever before.....not because people can't work it out - rather because we have many different designs & layouts of plumbing on all the different appliance around currently.  If a person who has never worked on a particular build of appliance, colour coding means they can quickly work out the plumbing, (perhaps at first glance) rather than spending a bit of time working it out.....

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Re: New 34P
« Reply #232 on: September 28, 2008, 10:26:02 AM »
Quote from: bill - Hynam CFS on September 28, 2008, 07:21:04 AM
I had a look at the new varley 34p the other day very nice,crew deck is a little small for space to work on the rear,I disliked how they have painted the inlets and outlets so as the crew know which hose goes where they must think we are all idiots... Looks good but will wait and see how they go in the field,Cam,I did not like it for grass fire attack as there is (a) not much room on the rear and(b) you only have two deck lines.......But will see how it goes....

Sorry I was not allowed to take photos while it was sitting where it was.....

The Crew deck is fine...infact itd be nice to get rid of it :)

2 Working lines from the deck...Two working guys on the back....Two in the Cab.

Its better to use a 14 appliance at a Running Fire, meanwhile the 34P can do what its meant to and protect assets.
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Re: New 34P
« Reply #233 on: September 28, 2008, 11:00:10 AM »
Can i just point out that how we have hermaphrodite couplings it is really important to color code the plumbing, i doubt they think we are idiots.

get rid of the crew deck at last or make it as small as possible. Us hills brigades loose heaps of space that could possible have a long locker because of the crew deck. (which never gets used)
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Re: New 34P
« Reply #234 on: September 28, 2008, 11:49:40 AM »
Quote from: Pipster on September 28, 2008, 09:28:30 AM
The inlet / outlet on our 14 year old Hino are colour coded........ 

I think it is more important now that they colour code than ever before.....not because people can't work it out - rather because we have many different designs & layouts of plumbing on all the different appliance around currently.  If a person who has never worked on a particular build of appliance, colour coding means they can quickly work out the plumbing, (perhaps at first glance) rather than spending a bit of time working it out.....

Pip

Same with out 16 year old Hino, and other assorted trucks. There have, for as long as I can remember, been colour coded collectors/deliveries/valve handles. Red for deliveries, blue/green for collectors. It may not have been as obvious as having all the plumbing painted, but its been around for ages.

Quote from: bittenyakka on September 28, 2008, 11:00:10 AM
Can i just point out that how we have hermaphrodite couplings it is really important to color code the plumbing, i doubt they think we are idiots.

get rid of the crew deck at last or make it as small as possible. Us hills brigades loose heaps of space that could possible have a long locker because of the crew deck. (which never gets used)

Yep, along with what pip said, it makes for easy troubleshooting. Most, if not all of the paid services in the country have everything colourcoded. Its not because of retarded volunteers, or anything.

The crew deck issue does nee to be looked at for some brigades I think. As you said, most of the hills brigades would rather more stowage space to a big crew deck. But then again, nearly every individual brigade needs something different to the next, so the line has to be drawn somewhere.
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Re: New 34P
« Reply #235 on: September 28, 2008, 12:57:25 PM »
yep so true.

Although i may get shot down out tardis of a 14 has no crew deck and we have never regretted that fact
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Re: New 34P
« Reply #236 on: September 28, 2008, 02:38:43 PM »
2 deck lines is enough....just means you have to take the hose with you if you need to swap sides.  Deck is big enough...if you cant fit maybe its time to consult a gym! lol

No deck is fine for the hills dwellers but that doesnt suit us out in the sticks.  Maybe its time they looked at the design of the trucks again.
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Re: New 34P
« Reply #237 on: September 28, 2008, 05:24:36 PM »
How many deck lines does a truck normally have?  None of the trucks I've worked off have had more than 2...
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Re: New 34P
« Reply #238 on: September 28, 2008, 05:41:32 PM »
A 34 has 3
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Re: New 34P
« Reply #239 on: September 28, 2008, 06:00:44 PM »
think the new 34 has two lines but also 2 uprights for the deck monitor.  With a bit of engineering its easy to run a hose off the top of the upright.
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Re: New 34P
« Reply #240 on: September 28, 2008, 06:21:08 PM »
Roger.
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Re: New 34P
« Reply #241 on: September 28, 2008, 06:21:47 PM »
yeah i have never seen any trucks with more than to even 34s
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Re: New 34P
« Reply #242 on: September 28, 2008, 06:23:50 PM »
colour code has been around for years (industry standard)
Check out the most fire services around Australia and you will find the colour code. It has nothing to do with looking like idiots, it is about being professional  and having a standard
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Re: New 34P
« Reply #243 on: September 28, 2008, 06:50:17 PM »
some 34 had 4 and some had 3,the new Varley 34 as two and as cam said it also has the monitor,but you could always change the plumbing so that you had 3 side lines rather than pull the hose over the tank from the reel....
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Re: New 34P
« Reply #244 on: September 28, 2008, 07:56:25 PM »
Ours has 3, 2 drivers side 1 passenger side.
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Re: New 34P
« Reply #245 on: September 28, 2008, 09:39:09 PM »
I've started a discussion about running grassfires here.
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Re: New 34P
« Reply #246 on: October 06, 2008, 04:31:08 PM »
Pics of the new Varley 34P can be found here http://www.ozfire.org/viewtopic.php?t=8950
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